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He argues Superintelligence, p. The sacrifice looks even less appealing when we reflect that the superintelligence could realize a nearly-as-great good in fractional terms while sacrificing much less of our own potential well-being.
Suppose that we agreed to allow almost the entire accessible universe to be converted into hedonium — everything except a small preserve, say the Milky Way, which would be set aside to accommodate our own needs. But we would have one galaxy within which to create wonderful civilizations that could last for billions of years and in which humans and nonhuman animals could survive and thrive, and have the opportunity to develop into beatific posthuman spirits.
Competition and optimization are blind idiotic processes and they fully intend to deny us even one lousy galaxy. We will break our back lifting Moloch to Heaven, but unless something changes it will be his victory and not ours. Land argues that humans should be more Gnon-conformist pun Gnon-intentional. He says we do all these stupid things like divert useful resources to feed those who could never survive on their own, or supporting the poor in ways that encourage dysgenic reproduction, or allowing cultural degeneration to undermine the state.
If you have somehow not yet read it, I predict you will find it delightful regardless of what you think of its politics. If you do work, you also die! Everyone dies, unpredictably, at a time not of their own choosing, and all the virtue in the world does not save you. The wages of everything is Death! This is a Communist universe, the amount you work makes no difference to your eventual reward. From each according to his ability, to each Death.
The Devil you know is Satan! And if he gets his hand on your soul you either die the true death, or get eternally tortured forever, or somehow both at once. A very strong priest or magician can occasionally outsmart and overpower them — so Barzai the Wise decides to climb their sacred mountain and join in their festivals, whether they want him to or not. But the beyond the seemingly tractable gods of Earth lie the Outer Gods, the terrible omnipotent beings of incarnate cosmic chaos. As soon as Barzai joins in the festival, the Outer Gods show up and pull him screaming into the abyss.
As stories go, it lacks things like plot or characterization or setting or point. But for some reason it stuck with me. And likely to end about the same way: Gotcha! More Lovecraft: the Internet popularization of the Cthulhu Cult claims that if you help free Cthulhu from his watery grave, he will reward you by eating you first , thus sparing you the horror of seeing everyone else eaten.
This is a misrepresentation of the original text. In the original, his cultists receive no reward for freeing him from his watery prison, not even the reward of being killed in a slightly less painful manner. On the margin, compliance with the Gods of the Copybook Headings, Gnon, Cthulhu, whatever, may buy you slightly more time than the next guy. But then again, it might not. Maybe we should not do that. That person will not be Nick Land. He is totally one hundred percent in favor of freeing Cthulhu from his watery prison and extremely annoyed that it is not happening fast enough.
I have such mixed feelings about Nick Land. On the grail quest for the True Futurology, he has gone But the thing about grail quests is — if you make a wrong turn two blocks away from your house, you end up at the corner store feeling mildly embarrassed. If you do almost everything right and then miss the very last turn, you end up being eaten by the legendary Black Beast of Aaargh whose ichorous stomach acid erodes your very soul into gibbering fragments.
As far as I can tell from reading his blog, Nick Land is the guy in that terrifying border region where he is smart enough to figure out several important arcane principles about summoning demon gods, but not quite smart enough to figure out the most important such principle, which is NEVER DO THAT.
Warg Franklin analyzes the same situation and does a little better. Each component of Gnon detailed above had and has a strong hand in creating us, our ideas, our wealth, and our dominance, and thus has been good in that respect, but we must remember that [he] can and will turn on us when circumstances change. Evolution becomes dysgenic, features of the memetic landscape promote ever crazier insanity, productivity turns to famine when we can no longer compete to afford our own existence, and order turns to chaos and bloodshed when we neglect martial strength or are overpowered from outside.
These processes are not good or evil overall; they are neutral, in the horrorist Lovecraftian sense of the word […]. Instead of the destructive free reign of evolution and the sexual market, we would be better off with deliberate and conservative patriarchy and eugenics driven by the judgement of man within the constraints set by Gnon. Instead of unhinged techno-commercial exploitation or naive neglect of economics, a careful bottling of the productive economic dynamic and planning for a controlled techno-singularity.
Instead of politics and chaos, a strong hierarchical order with martial sovereignty. They are better understood as goals to be worked towards. This seems to me the strongest argument for authoritarianism. Multipolar traps are likely to destroy us, so we should shift the tyranny-multipolarity tradeoff towards a rationally-planned garden, which requires centralized monarchical authority and strongly-binding traditions. But a brief digression into social evolution. Societies, like animals, evolve.
The ones that survive spawn memetic descendants — for example, the success of Britan allowed it to spin off Canada, Australia, the US, et cetera. Thus, we expect societies that exist to be somewhat optimized for stability and prosperity. I think this is one of the strongest conservative arguments. Just as a random change to a letter in the human genome will probably be deleterious rather than beneficial since humans are a complicated fine-tuned system whose genome has been pre-optimized for survival — so most changes to our cultural DNA will disrupt some institution that evolved to help Anglo-American or whatever society outcompete its real and hypothetical rivals.
The liberal counterargument to that is that evolution is a blind idiot alien god that optimizes for stupid things and has no concern with human value. Suppose that in fact patriarchy is adaptive to societies because it allows women to spend all their time bearing children who can then engage in productive economic activity and fight wars.
The social evolutionary processes that cause societies to adopt patriarchy still have exactly as little concern for its moral effects on women as the biological evolutionary processes that cause wasps to lay their eggs in caterpillars.
But we do care. Too far to one side of the tradeoff, and we have unstable impoverished societies that die out for going against natural law. Too far to the other side, and we have lean mean fighting machines that are murderous and miserable. Think your local anarchist commune versus Sparta.
Man has his own telos, when he is allowed the security to act and the clarity to reason out the consequences of his actions. When unafflicted by coordination problems and unthreatened by superior forces, able to act as a gardener rather than just another subject of the law of the jungle, he tends to build and guide a wonderful world for himself. He tends to favor good things and avoid bad, to create secure civilizations with polished sidewalks, beautiful art, happy families, and glorious adventures.
Thus we have our wildcard and the big question of futurism. Will the future be ruled by the usual four horsemen of Gnon for a future of meaningless gleaming techno-progress burning the cosmos or a future of dysgenic, insane, hungry, and bloody dark ages; or will the telos of man prevail for a future of meaningful art, science, spirituality, and greatness?
The project of civilization [is] for man to graduate from the metaphorical savage, subject to the law of the jungle, to the civilized gardener who, while theoretically still subject to the law of the jungle, is so dominant as to limit the usefulness of that model. This need not be done globally; we may only be able to carve out a small walled garden for ourselves, but make no mistake, even if only locally, the project of civilization is to capture Gnon.
I maybe agree with Warg here more than I have ever agreed with anyone else about anything. He says something really important and he says it beautifully and there are so many words of praise I want to say for this post and for the thought processes behind it.
Suppose you make your walled garden. You can get outcompeted and destroyed. You can join in the race to the bottom. Or you can invest more and more civilizational resources into building your wall — whatever that is in a non-metaphorical way — and protecting yourself.
As outside civilizations compete against you, your conditions will become more and more constrained. Do you really think your walled garden will be able to ride this out? I want to critique Warg. But I want to critique him in the exact opposite direction as the last critique he received.
In fact, the last critique he received is so bad that I want to discuss it at length so we can get the correct critique entirely by taking its exact mirror image. Capturing or creating God is indeed a classic transhumanist fetish, which is simply another form of the oldest human ambition ever, to rule the universe. Such naive rationalism however, is extremely dangerous. The belief that it is human Reason and deliberate human design which creates and maintains civilizations was probably the biggest mistake of Enlightenment philosophy….
It is the theories of Spontaneous Order which stand in direct opposition to the naive rationalist view of humanity and civilization. Contrary to the naive rationalist view of civilization as something that can be and is a subject to explicit human design, the representatives of the tradition of Spontaneous Order maintain the view that human civilization and social institutions are the result of a complex evolutionary process which is driven by human interaction but not explicit human planning.
Indeed the only way to establish some degree of control over those forces is to submit to them. Refusing to do so will not deter these forces in any way. It will only make our life more painful and unbearable, possibly leading to our extinction.
Survival requires that we accept and submit to them. Man in the end has always been and always will be little more than a puppet of the forces of the universe. To be free of them is impossible. I accuse Hurlock of being stuck behind the veil. Submit to Gnon? I would like humans, or something that respects humans, or at least gets along with humans — to have the job. But the current rulers of the universe — call them what you want, Moloch, Gnon, whatever — want us dead, and with us everything we value.
Art, science, love, philosophy, consciousness itself, the entire bundle. The opposite of a trap is a garden. The only way to avoid having all human values gradually ground down by optimization-competition is to install a Gardener over the entire universe who optimizes for human values. If multiple competing entities were likely to do that at once, we would be super-doomed. But the sheer speed of the cycle makes it possible that we will end up with one entity light-years ahead of the rest of civilization, so much so that it can suppress any competition — including competition for its title of most powerful entity — permanently.
In the very near future, we are going to lift something to Heaven. It might be Moloch. But it might be something on our side. And if that entity shares human values, it can allow human values to flourish unconstrained by natural law. The Universe is a dark and foreboding place, suspended between alien deities. Cthulhu, Gnon, Moloch, call them what you will. Somewhere in this darkness is another god. He has also had many names. In the Kushiel books , his name was Elua.
He is the god of flowers and free love and all soft and fragile things. Of art and science and philosophy and love. Of niceness, community, and civilization. He is a god of humans. What a weakling! This is going to be so easy! But somehow Elua is still here. No one knows exactly how. And the gods who oppose Him tend to find Themselves meeting with a surprising number of unfortunate accidents.
So be it with Gnon. Our job is to placate him insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and invasion. And that only for a short time, until we come into our full power. My answer is: Moloch is exactly what the history books say he is. He is the god of child sacrifice, the fiery furnace into which you can toss your babies in exchange for victory in war. He always and everywhere offers the same deal: throw what you love most into the flames, and I can grant you power.
So we need to close the offer. Only another god can kill Moloch. We have one on our side, but he needs our help. We should give it to him. I am luckier than Ginsberg. I got to see the best minds of my generation identify a problem and get to work. One somewhat rambling thought I took away from this post, oddly enough, is that — in the face of a potential superintelligence — the status quo is not the only alternative to trying to build a Friendly AI.
Democracy, monarchism, and a designed-to-be-Friendly AI can be compared according to the risk aversion one should adopt in the face of Moloch. A monarchy promises the ability to impose mutually beneficial coordination from above — but can produce highly unpredictable results, leading to tyranny, civil wars, revolutions, etc.
A designed-to-be-Friendly AI promises the possibility of optimization of all of our values, but the orthogonality thesis shows the fragility of any attempt to make one truly friendly. The only response to the threat of annihilation need not be one that has the power to annihilate as well.
I imagine though I think a substantial portion of the readership would disagree that any political system with even vague autocratic tendencies could be convinced to regulate the possibility of a super-human AI out of existence.
The relevant questions for this tradeoff: 1. How likely is a superintelligence will be built by Moloch, if nothing is done — one that would cause not just despair but annihilation? How likely is it that a designed-to-be-Friendly AI could be built with confidence before Moloch finishes its superintelligence? EDIT: the estimations are mostly here for fun — I think the questions are the important part. I make no claim to being well-calibrated.
Ah, but super-human AI is not the only way Moloch can bring our demise. How many such dangers can your global monarch identify in time? Just it took very little effort and seemed like it would make people happy. It seems to me that except in the last case and maybe even then all those methods are self defeating. They will simply cause selection in favour of those that ignore the incentives. I come from a religious Family of 11 and very much doubt any incentive could have swayed my parents.
Edit: Indeed I think that it would likely have a negative result from your point of view. People such as my parents or myself would never accept being sterilized at any incentive but plenty of people who would likely only have had a couple of kids anyway might. That still seems like an improvement compared to the status quo. In the short run maybe. It also, however, hastens the slide to a state of affairs where the world population is composed overwhelmingly from descendants of people who have large families thus heavily selecting for the genes or hereditary memes that want large families.
It seems that any progress you make in the short run with this technique will be undone in the long run. That seems counterproductive to me. Those who think a malthusian scenario is ultimately unavoidable may well take the little extra incentive. But also those with poor impulse control or inability to connect cause and effect. Hence my support for more birth control and abortions.
Deciding for others which genes deserve to survive to the next generation, is probably the question you are least objective about. How can you pretend to set yourself as judge over genes your own genes compete with? Being born in poverty, being born to abusive parents, etc, is bad for them, and parental licensing would ameliorate that.
I care about humanity surviving and people being happy beyond my lifetime. But why should it stop there? Well, that is evident. Why not beat them to it, butcher a few sacred cows yourself, and become a laughing lion hedonist with no care in the world? Harald, I know damn well what my soul is. I have stared the damn thing in the face and been forced to acknowledge it.
That would definitely reduce the probability that I take over the universe. Many ex-Quiverfull kids have only one or two children. If there were a chemical — odorless, tasteless, hypoallergenic — whose only effect would be to make people want to have no more than one child, would you dump that chemical into the water supply?
I would. Chemical resistance? Bacteria breed about a million times faster than us and they still have trouble evolving resistance to our chemical weapons. Antibiotics are relatively straightforward things: bind to these sites, disrupt this metabolic pathway, and the bacterium dies. Such a chemical is unlikely to be found, and conditional on such a thing being discovered it is unlikely to work perfectly. Similarly, unlike in antibiotics we are unlikely to find multiple such chemicals with different mechanisms.
Although the cached thought behind that comment is not quite applicable in that context, I still think it is relevant in this discussion. That humans breed much more slowly means that human evolution should much easier to defeat. Memetics will win that arms race. Amish retention rates have increased over time by some pretty significant amounts. Sorry blacktrance — that would interfere with currently ongoing attempt to breed the perfect client for the progressive state.
One who is violent and hostile to outsiders so can control territory where unlimited votes can be mined in times of need. One who will breed young and with low parental investment so that the children can parasitize resources away from the more expensive to raise children of the enemy. To expect God to care about you or your personal values or the values of your civilization, that is hubris. To expect God to bargain with you, to allow you to survive and prosper as long as you submit to Him, that is hubris.
We need to kill God and take His stuff. In all seriousness: where do I sign up? And what do I have to offer? Then destroy all the souls in Hell, if no other mercy can be given them than annihilation. Then I start reading angelology and demonology and get bored and write something else. It may not be quite what you are looking for, but someone has already written a lengthy piece of fiction about what would happen if Hell decided to invade earth and drag off everybody there.
Read in order, chapterwise. Yes, I second this. Naturalist warm fuzzies and Crowning Moments Of Awesome all around. I loved The Salvation War. On the other hand, it wants to be the story of how humans faced off in a world-threatening struggle against Satan, Prince of Darkness, Father of Lies, etc etc, ruler of the Nine Circles of Hell. The Father of Lies is a serious concern because, well, he lies , which implies extensive knowledge of human thoughts and desires and current state and how to argue and so forth, whereas the ogres featured in TSW seem to be utterly clueless about what the humans are up to.
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